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underlined red comments</span> from Roberta after reading Gerry's additions, which were excellent and spurred more memories from me.<br>
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</style><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif">Carol,<br>
I'll start the ball rolling with answers starting with #4--off the top of my head. But I think you should hold off until this, Carol, until it gets vetted by both sisters. I'm not famous for my memory...HOWEVER, I'm also copying Amy D'Amato on this because
she did some kind of family history a couple of years ago and maybe she can clarify some of this. Amy?<br>
Love,<br>
Sister Roberta<br>
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<div><span>4. Your father's name </span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Francis James King (all of a sudden, I'm blanking on middle name. Is this right?)<br>
</span></span><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 64, 127); font-weight: bold;">FROM GERRY:</span><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 64, 127);"> yes, Francis James King</span><br>
<strong><font color="#0000ff">FROM NOREEN His actual name was Francis James Aloysius James King--</font></strong></span></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"><span><strong>But the Aloysius thing was his joke, right?</strong></span></span><span><span><strong><font color="#0000ff"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span></font></strong></span></span></div>
<div><span>5. Your mother's name </span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Dorothy Celia King--maiden name is Law.<br>
</span></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 64, 127);"><span style="font-weight: bold;">FROM GERRY:</span> Mother had no middle name, but there was someone with bad credit named Dorothy King, so she added (I don't think legally -- through court docs) an R., Dorothy
R. King.</span> <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Noreen will be able to verify this with papers in the wooden box at her house, but I think Gramma Tootsie's middle initial was C.</span></span></span><span> <span style="font-weight: bold; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 0);">Noreen- can you verify Mother's middle initial from the wooden box?</span></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 0);"><span><strong><br><br></strong></span></span><span>6. Names of any other spouses/life partners of your parents, any other children by them (please specify)
</span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Rita Ribakowskas (sp?)
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<div><span style="color: rgb(0, 64, 127);"><span style="font-weight: bold;">FROM GERRY</span>: Life spouse would be Lois Bailey the Bitch?</span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">
</span></span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Maybe Bitch is really her first name instead of Lois.</span></span></span><br>
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<div><span>7. Your maternal grandmother </span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Celia Schlagal (maiden name is Law)--not sure of middle name...She only went by Law, though...are we sure they were married?<br><br>
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<div><span style="color: rgb(0, 64, 127);"><span style="font-weight: bold;">FROM GERRY:</span> Wasn't maternal grandma "Tootsie" named Cecil, and then because she thought it was a man's name, she changed it to Celia? And legally, too, I think.</span>
<span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">All correct as I remember.</span></span></span></div>
<div><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><font color="#0000ff" face="times new roman">FROM NOREEN They were not married.
She was always Celia Law, although mother said there were questions as to whether her name was Celia, Cecil, or Cecila.</font></span></span></span></span></span><br style="color: rgb(0, 64, 127);">
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<div><span>8. Your maternal grandfather </span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Frank Schlagal (sp)<br>
</span></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 64, 127);"><span style="font-weight: bold;">FROM GERRY:
</span>(I think middle initial was "J")</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 64, 127);"> Also, Frank "Schlegel" (possible other spelling -- Noreen, do you have his papers?)</span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 64, 127);">
</span></span></span><span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 64, 127);">We can get alot more from whatever is in that box.</span></span></span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><br>
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<div><span>9. Names of any other spouses/life partners of your maternal grandparents
</span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Grandmother never remarried. Frank Schlagal had lots of "liaisons" but not sure whether he married any of them. When he died, our mother got his whole estate and gave it to the mother(s)
of some child(ren) he had but my father said, "...she didn't have to..." which suggests to me that he wasn't married to them.</span></span></div>
<div><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"></span></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 127); font-weight: bold;"><span>FROM GERRY: </span></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 127); font-weight: bold;"><span>
</span></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 127);">For sure, paternal grandparent, Frank Shlagel had one "male love child" who had a cleft palate. At his death, mother paid off his debts and always sent money to mother of male child, who according to dad, was
either nuts or an alcoholic.</span><span> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 127);"> Also, Frank Schlegel's mother was not considered mother material and was taken from his mother and raised by his grandmother, who owned a bar on Lake Street near downtown Chicago,
and was, supposedly, the only bar that Mary Todd Lincoln went into. Bar was later taken for unpaid back taxes.</span></span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">
</span></span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Frank Shlagal's mother used to come to the park and watch him on the swing because her rich mother-in-law wouldn't let her visit. Frank
told our mother (Dorothy) that he remembers being held up to the window so his mother could see him from outside. I think she was very young.
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<div><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><font color="#0000ff" face="times new roman">FROM NOREEN I remember that Frank, at the end of his life, had a common law relationship with Mae Schagel and that together they had a son, John
who was younger than mother and had a </font></span></span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><font color="#0000ff">c<font face="times new roman">left palate.</font></font> </span></span></div>
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<div><span>10. Your paternal grandmother </span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Josephine King--don't remember maiden name, but it was German, I think.<br>
</span></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 127);"><span style="font-weight: bold;">FROM GERRY: </span> Paternal grandparent was Josephine King (maiden name: Hoppe). Definitely German. Wasn't it her father or brother who committed suicide with a rifle? Definitely
was a Hoppe.</span> <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">She had a relative (cousin? in-law) who used to love old coffee so she'd keep strong kind of stale coffee around for him. Our Dad
said she never let him eat between meals but used to give her grandkids Hershey bars from the refrigerator whether we'd eaten or not.</span></span></span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 127);">
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<div><span>11. Your paternal grandfather </span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">John King<br>
</span></span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 64, 127);">FROM GERRY: </span></span></span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 64, 127);">
</span></span></span><span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 64, 127);">His sisters were Mae King and who was the sister that lived in Kenosha w/her husband over Church resale shop -- w</span></span></span><span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 64, 127);">e'd
go and visit her occasionally? </span></span></span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Heck. Mae's sister's name is on the tip of my tongue. Like "Mae," it's a very old fashioned name.
I see a "W" in my head. They used to live together on the southside and I used to take a bus there and fix their hair for them when I was in high school. That's when I discovered that Mae's auburn hair was a great die job (gray roots). I still have a doll
with real human hair and a leather body that was bought for me at the resale shop. It was called The St. Vincent DePaul Resale Shop. Mae never married and my Dad said she used to be kind of wild as a teenager and young woman.</span></span></span></div>
<div><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"><font color="#0000ff" face="times new roman">FROM NOREEN We called grandpa's other sister, Aunt Nell, I'm not sure if that was a shortened version
of Eleanor. Amy researched the family, so maybe she would know. In her youth, Aunt Mae, must have been flat chested, because she told me stories of stuffing her bra, once with a balloon that exploded when she came too close to her date's tie stick pin, Another
time, she filled it with feathers, which slowly came out and floated through the air. Her date was very confused as to where they were coming from. </font></span></span></span><span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><br>
</span></span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><br>
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<div><span>12. Names of any other spouses/life partners of your paternal grandparents
</span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">No other spouses about which we know...<br>
</span></span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 64, 127);">FROM GERRY:</span></span></span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 64, 127);"> </span></span></span><span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 64, 127);">
Okay</span></span></span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><br>
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<div><span>13. Names of any great grandparents, as far as you can go, actually. </span>
<span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">I only remember that our mother's maternal grandmother was called Little Gramma (short--hey, is this why I got cheated out of height?). Her maternal grandfather was Law and came here from Scotland
before he was 20. Met Little Gramma in a hotel (she was maid, I think) in NY and they eventually came to Chicago. He had a couple of years of college in Edinburgh before emigrating and was a kind of bookkeeper here. Our father's mother lived upstairs from
him on Normal, along with our grandfather's (John King's) sister Mae and a "border". When John's mother died, they discovered she had secretly married the border who was living with her and Mae.<br>
</span></span><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 127);"><span style="font-weight: bold;">FROM GERRY: </span> I thought "little grandma" our great grandmother,
</span></span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Yes, she was our great grandmother. She was our Mother's Grandmother.
</span></span></span><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 127);">Met her husband in Canada, where most Europeans migrated to, as it was easier to get into US after a little while. He had a fiance left in Scotland,
</span></span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">His family was very wealthy in Ediburgh. His wife came from Glasgow, which is thought to be more of a blue-collar town. When I visited there,
I couldn't understand a word they said. </span></span></span><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 127);">but got "little gramma" preggers and had to marry her. His family was very unhappy about it, as she was peasant material, and he was a citified, college educated
(U of Edinburgh) guy. </span></span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">According to the relatives I met when I visited Edinburgh (his niece), he broke his mother's heart when he left.
Went out for a pack of cigarettes and never came back. Only came home once and they said it was because he had an inheritance from his parents that could only be claimed in person.
</span></span></span><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 127);">Hence, regarding their children, Ethel, Bessie, Cecil/Celia, James
</span></span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">I thought there was a Bill here?</span></span></span><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 127);">,<font color="#0000ff"> His
<strong>name was Bob. </strong></font>Henrietta, Agnes -- some were a bit peasantish (eg Ethel) and others rather sophisticated (eg Cecil/Celia). Henrietta was the first to graduate from grammar school. Celia was a cashier for a touring circus or play or something
and led the high life, that's why there's some question of whether our mother's mother actually married Frank Schlagal. She was 18 when our mother, Dorothy, was born
</span></span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Noreen may help with this but I thought she was only 16 or 17 when she had Mom</span></span></span><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 127);">.
Celia was traveling and then treated for tuberculosis, so Dorothy was raised by her mother's sister, her aunt Bessie who was married to David Ewing, and they had 2 sons, Harry and James Ewing. James died at about 21 yrs of an unexpected heart condition
</span></span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Died because of walking pneumonia</span></span></span><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 127);">. Harry married Harriet (Congua) Ewing who
had a daughter Joyce (legally changed to Jocelyn) Congua who married Blair Levy (legally changed to Blair
</span></span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Wasn't his name Allen Blair</span></span></span><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 127);">) and had a son, who lives in CAlifornia & is a
record producer or something. Blair died piloting his jet plane in WI at about 49 yrs. Harry and Harriet Ewing died in a car crash on their way to visit Jocelyn in Eagle River, WI.</span></span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 127);">
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<div><span>I know I said 3 generations, but if you can go past your grandparents (easily), then I'd like to have that information (whatever you have). It'll just make your family tree that much more complete. I'll also try to do some King family history research
to see if I can find anything on my own. My church has a huge family history database, so if I find something I'll let you know.
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<div><span>I'm going to attach a picture of a family tree I did for my father-in-law over 10 years ago. It's a conservative version of what I want to do with your tree. His only has the names of his 3-generation chart, a scripture that's close to him, and
a small note from me. What I'd like to do with yours is make it a sisters tree, and try and tell the unique story of the King sisters.<br>
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<div><span>In case you didn't know, I'm in an MFA program at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago for Writing. They very much encourage interdisciplinary work, so I want to tell a story, but through this visual piece. I don't expect your tree to look
anything like I did for Doug's dad, but it's a reference for you to conceptualize my "vision." This is my last class, and my last project, so I wanted to do something grand, so THANK YOU for participating.<br>
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<div><span>So let's hit "reply all" to these emails to keep each sister in the loop and the discussion open. I will email or call you each individually at one point to get some individual perspectives and thoughts, but for now, in the general info gathering
period, let's do it together.<br>
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<div><span>THIS IS GOING TO BE FUN! Family history is amazing and I hope this turns out as worthwhile for you as it will be for me.</span></div>
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